Catching the Next Wave
Aga and Łukasz Szóstek inspire leaders to reflect on the possibilities and challenges of 21st-century leadership through inspired conversations with amazing guests. They together discuss topics such as change, innovation, common sense, empowerment and more, each of them unique for one season of their podcast. Join them as they Catch The Next Wave.
S11.E1. Aga & Łukasz Szóstek. INTRO. Do, Not Talk.
2022-05-03 12:27:46
To do or not to do? This is the question for this 11th Season of the Catching The Next Wave podcast. We hope to investigate the difference (or the connection) between thinking and doing. We also hope to dig into understanding how our guests help themselves to put things out in the world and what helps them to do so. Stay tuned for the new season of Catching The Next Wave.
To do or not to do? This is the question for this 11th Season of the Catching The Next Wave podcast. We hope to investigate the difference (or the connection) between thinking and doing. We also hope to dig into understanding how our guests help themselves to put things out in the world and what helps them to do so. Stay tuned for the new season of Catching The Next Wave.
S10.E10. Aga & Łukasz Szóstek. OUTRO. How Deep Is Your Rabbit Hole?
2021-11-11 17:46:11
In the anniversary 10th season of the Catching The Next Wave podcast, we went down quite a few rabbit holes with our guests. Some of them were challenging, some were reflective, some were eye-opening. We discussed topics of abusing natural resources, cracking own productivity, dealing with change, learning, innovating, experiencing, and transforming. All of them are important for every one of us and the question is - how deep are there rabbit holes for you? LINKS GoGoDone website “Design to Change” by Roel Frissen, Ruud Janssen, Dennis Luijer “Stuffocation” by James Wallman “Time and how to spend it” by James Wallman WXO “National Geographic Ocean: A Global Odyssey” by Sylvia Earle Cover image by hijasdelatierra.es (CC-BY-SA-3.0)
In the anniversary 10th season of the Catching The Next Wave podcast, we went down quite a few rabbit holes with our guests. Some of them were challenging, some were reflective, some were eye-opening. We discussed topics of abusing natural resources, cracking own productivity, dealing with change, learning, innovating, experiencing, and transforming. All of them are important for every one of us and the question is - how deep are there rabbit holes for you?
LINKS
GoGoDone website
“Design to Change” by Roel Frissen, Ruud Janssen, Dennis Luijer
“Stuffocation” by James Wallman
“Time and how to spend it” by James Wallman
“National Geographic Ocean: A Global Odyssey” by Sylvia Earle
Cover image by hijasdelatierra.es (CC-BY-SA-3.0)
S10.E8. Mat Deurden. How to Become a Transformer?
2021-11-11 17:15:00
Have you ever thought about whether for an experience to be memorable does it have to always be extraordinary or is ordinary also an option? This is one of the rabbit holes we visit together with our guest Mat Deurden, an Associate Professor of Experience Design and Management in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University. We unpack a transformative process as tripping over the truth you never realized. We discuss the difference between a transformation that is a small “t” versus capital “T” transformation, dig into the role of storytelling in the process of transformation, and much more. LINKS “ Designing Experiences ” by J. Robert Rossman, Mathew D. Duerden “ Orbiting the giant hairball ” by Gordon Mackenzie “ Think Again ” by Adam Grant “ Wonder switch ” by Harris III “ The power of moments ” by Chip Heath, Dan Heath “ Invisible Women ” by Caroline Criado Perez
Have you ever thought about whether for an experience to be memorable does it have to always be extraordinary or is ordinary also an option? This is one of the rabbit holes we visit together with our guest Mat Deurden, an Associate Professor of Experience Design and Management in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University. We unpack a transformative process as tripping over the truth you never realized. We discuss the difference between a transformation that is a small “t” versus capital “T” transformation, dig into the role of storytelling in the process of transformation, and much more.
LINKS
“Designing Experiences” by J. Robert Rossman, Mathew D. Duerden
“Orbiting the giant hairball” by Gordon Mackenzie
“Think Again” by Adam Grant
“Wonder switch” by Harris III
“The power of moments” by Chip Heath, Dan Heath
“Invisible Women” by Caroline Criado Perez
S10.E9. Sylvia Earle. The Nature of Nature.
2021-11-11 17:15:00
Everything is connected much more than we have ever realised. We are dependent on the nature that surrounds us much more than nature is dependent on us, in fact. This is why we should stop perceiving nature as something to conquer and start seeing it as our life-support system, argues our amazing guest, dr Sylvia Earle, also known as “Her Deepness”. We discuss the ways in which oceans and life that inhabits them are treated today and how they should be treated from now onward. We discuss tuna and octopuses, sharks, and oxygen production, and so much more in this conversation that has the power to stop you from ever eating fish again. LINKS “ National Geographic Ocean: A Global Odyssey ” by Sylvia Earle “ Half mile down ” by William Beebe “ Reason for hope ” by Jane Goodall “ Silent spring ” by Rachel Carson Books by Carl Safina “ Last chance to see ” by Douglas Adams and Mark Carwardine
Everything is connected much more than we have ever realised. We are dependent on the nature that surrounds us much more than nature is dependent on us, in fact. This is why we should stop perceiving nature as something to conquer and start seeing it as our life-support system, argues our amazing guest, dr Sylvia Earle, also known as “Her Deepness”. We discuss the ways in which oceans and life that inhabits them are treated today and how they should be treated from now onward. We discuss tuna and octopuses, sharks, and oxygen production, and so much more in this conversation that has the power to stop you from ever eating fish again.
LINKS
“National Geographic Ocean: A Global Odyssey” by Sylvia Earle
“Half mile down” by William Beebe
“Reason for hope” by Jane Goodall
“Silent spring” by Rachel Carson
Books by Carl Safina
“Last chance to see” by Douglas Adams and Mark Carwardine
S10.E7. James Wallman. The Era of Experientialism.
2021-11-11 17:10:00
It is no longer enough for governments to measure GDP, they should finally use knowledge of sociology and psychology to figure out how to measure the quality of life. And part of these metrics should be about the value of experiencing rather than possessing things. Together with James Wallman, the author of “Stuffocation” and “Time and how to spend it”, and a co-founder of the World Experience Organization, we dig into the topic of how to measure experiences, and how to use these metrics to provoke organizations around the world to be more experiential. We wonder if it’s possible to create an equivalent of a B-Corp certification and certification for experience and how it should differ with respect to the final solutions and culture. We also wonder how to capture the subjective assessment of experiences and turn it into a reliable guideline. And we dive into the meaning of boredom, the rabbit hole of creative work, and the idea of trying out our different selves. LINKS WXO website B-Corp website Self-determination theory “ Stuffocation ” by James Wallman “ Time and how to spend it ” by James Wallman “ Rest ” by Alex Soojung-Kim Pang “ Shorter ” by Alex Soojung-Kim Pang “ On Writing ” by Stephen King “ Time traveler’s guide to medieval England ” by Ian Mortimer “ The wire ” by David Simon and Rafael Alvarez “ Homicide: A Year On The Killing Streets ” by David Simon “ The science of storytelling ” by Will Storr “ What a dog saw ” by Malcolm Gladwell
It is no longer enough for governments to measure GDP, they should finally use knowledge of sociology and psychology to figure out how to measure the quality of life. And part of these metrics should be about the value of experiencing rather than possessing things. Together with James Wallman, the author of “Stuffocation” and “Time and how to spend it”, and a co-founder of the World Experience Organization, we dig into the topic of how to measure experiences, and how to use these metrics to provoke organizations around the world to be more experiential. We wonder if it’s possible to create an equivalent of a B-Corp certification and certification for experience and how it should differ with respect to the final solutions and culture. We also wonder how to capture the subjective assessment of experiences and turn it into a reliable guideline. And we dive into the meaning of boredom, the rabbit hole of creative work, and the idea of trying out our different selves.
LINKS
WXO website
B-Corp website
“Stuffocation” by James Wallman
“Time and how to spend it” by James Wallman
“Rest” by Alex Soojung-Kim Pang
“Shorter” by Alex Soojung-Kim Pang
“On Writing” by Stephen King
“Time traveler’s guide to medieval England” by Ian Mortimer
“The wire” by David Simon and Rafael Alvarez
“Homicide: A Year On The Killing Streets” by David Simon
“The science of storytelling” by Will Storr
“What a dog saw” by Malcolm Gladwell
S10.E6. Gilbert Cockton. Wild Challenges, Not Wicked Problems.
2021-11-11 17:05:00
Have you ever considered how being human-centered might not be a good idea? How any centricity is a wrong focus for design? With Gilbert Cockton, a professor emeritus from the Northumbria University and the University of Sunderland, we discuss the need for a big picture to be able to strategically move forward with any project. We talk about the design approach in the era of post-humanism, the agency of objects, and a fetish of rationality creeping into the design profession. We underline the importance of the studio culture with design critics as a way to keep on bringing good work to the world. And we wonder whether evaluation does a good job for forwarding motion or perhaps not really. LINKS “ Things We Could Design “ by Ron Wakkary “ Change by design ” by Tim Brown “ Notes on design ” by Kees Dorst
Have you ever considered how being human-centered might not be a good idea? How any centricity is a wrong focus for design? With Gilbert Cockton, a professor emeritus from the Northumbria University and the University of Sunderland, we discuss the need for a big picture to be able to strategically move forward with any project. We talk about the design approach in the era of post-humanism, the agency of objects, and a fetish of rationality creeping into the design profession. We underline the importance of the studio culture with design critics as a way to keep on bringing good work to the world. And we wonder whether evaluation does a good job for forwarding motion or perhaps not really.
LINKS
“Things We Could Design“ by Ron Wakkary
“Change by design” by Tim Brown
“Notes on design” by Kees Dorst
S10.E5. Ruud Janssen. Horizons of Change.
2021-11-11 17:00:00
The pandemic showed us that change is non-optional. But what remains to be figured out is how to make it good and lasting. With our guest Ruud Janssen, the co-author of “Event Design Handbook” and “Design to Change” we discuss what it takes to implement change you wish for. We deliberate what is more important, process or outcome, and we look into events as pivotal moments for change. We also wonder whether it’s possible to design for how people spend time at work. LINKS “ Design to Change ” by Roel Frissen, Ruud Janssen, Dennis Luijer “ Event Design Handbook ” by Roel Frissen and Ruud Janssen Design to Change podcast
The pandemic showed us that change is non-optional. But what remains to be figured out is how to make it good and lasting. With our guest Ruud Janssen, the co-author of “Event Design Handbook” and “Design to Change” we discuss what it takes to implement change you wish for. We deliberate what is more important, process or outcome, and we look into events as pivotal moments for change. We also wonder whether it’s possible to design for how people spend time at work.
LINKS
“Design to Change” by Roel Frissen, Ruud Janssen, Dennis Luijer
“Event Design Handbook” by Roel Frissen and Ruud Janssen
Design to Change podcast
S10.E4. Greg Enriquez. You Can’t Create Out of Fear.
2021-11-11 16:55:00
Everyone can sing better, it’s just a matter of the right training. With the world-famous vocal coach, Greg Enriquez, we talk about the strange instrument that is our voice. We talk about the unrealistic expectations technology raises for musicians and how it should be replaced with daring to try things that are tough early on. Greg points out how learning to sing is a never-ending journey rather than a destination and gives advice on how to effectively exercise your voice and also how to find a good singing teacher. LINKS Greg’s website Modern Vocal Training website The European Vocal Camp website “ Singing for the stars ” by Seth Riggs
Everyone can sing better, it’s just a matter of the right training. With the world-famous vocal coach, Greg Enriquez, we talk about the strange instrument that is our voice. We talk about the unrealistic expectations technology raises for musicians and how it should be replaced with daring to try things that are tough early on. Greg points out how learning to sing is a never-ending journey rather than a destination and gives advice on how to effectively exercise your voice and also how to find a good singing teacher.
LINKS
Greg’s website
Modern Vocal Training website
The European Vocal Camp website
“Singing for the stars” by Seth Riggs
S10.E3. Heather Chavin. Making Space for Your Creative Genius.
2021-11-11 16:50:00
Have you ever considered that risk-taking is a muscle that needs to be regularly exercised? In this conversation with a productivity nerd, coach in Seth Godin’s Akimbo community, and an entrepreneur at GoGoDone, Heather Chavin we talk about creating conditions to ship your work. We talk about how so many of us are obligers responding to the external rather than internal stimuli and why we need a powerful community to overcome that. We agree that it is important to mourn projects we say ‘no’ to but still, it is the only way to do what matters as trying harder doesn’t quite work. We also discuss the importance of listening to our bodies and our brains as they are pretty clear about what is good for us at a given moment. LINKS GoGoDone website GoGoPublish website “ Willpower Doesn't Work: Discover the Hidden Keys to Success ” by Benjamin Hardy “ Permission marketing ” by Seth Godin “ The Four Tendencies: The Indispensable Personality Profiles That Reveal How to Make Your Life Better (and Other People's Lives Better, Too) ” by Gretchen Rubin “ Better Than Before: What I Learned About Making and Breaking Habits - to Sleep More, Quit Sugar, Procrastinate Less, and Generally Build a Happier Life ” by Gretchen Rubin “ The Happiness Project: Or, Why I Spent a Year Trying to Sing in the Morning, Clean My Closets, Fight Right, Read Aristotle, and Generally Have More Fun ” by Gretchen Rubin “ Steal like an artist ” by Austin Kleon “ Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less ” by Greg McKeown
Have you ever considered that risk-taking is a muscle that needs to be regularly exercised? In this conversation with a productivity nerd, coach in Seth Godin’s Akimbo community, and an entrepreneur at GoGoDone, Heather Chavin we talk about creating conditions to ship your work. We talk about how so many of us are obligers responding to the external rather than internal stimuli and why we need a powerful community to overcome that. We agree that it is important to mourn projects we say ‘no’ to but still, it is the only way to do what matters as trying harder doesn’t quite work. We also discuss the importance of listening to our bodies and our brains as they are pretty clear about what is good for us at a given moment.
LINKS
GoGoDone website
GoGoPublish website
“Willpower Doesn't Work: Discover the Hidden Keys to Success” by Benjamin Hardy
“Permission marketing” by Seth Godin
“The Four Tendencies: The Indispensable Personality Profiles That Reveal How to Make Your Life Better (and Other People's Lives Better, Too)” by Gretchen Rubin
“Better Than Before: What I Learned About Making and Breaking Habits - to Sleep More, Quit Sugar, Procrastinate Less, and Generally Build a Happier Life” by Gretchen Rubin
“The Happiness Project: Or, Why I Spent a Year Trying to Sing in the Morning, Clean My Closets, Fight Right, Read Aristotle, and Generally Have More Fun” by Gretchen Rubin
“Steal like an artist” by Austin Kleon
“Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less” by Greg McKeown
S10.E2. Joy van Baren. The Unusual Way of Doing Business.
2021-11-11 16:45:00
In order to face change straight up you can’t do things the usual way. You need a new, unusual approach to doing business. In this conversation with Joy van Baren, the Growth Acceleration Director at Ordina, we discuss the importance of the right mindset, the new way of looking at risk as a risk of missed opportunity. We investigate how important is brutal honesty to stay innovative and how to create a safe place for it. We also wonder what the success rate is for innovative projects. LINKS “ Pirates in the navy ” by Tendayi Viki
In order to face change straight up you can’t do things the usual way. You need a new, unusual approach to doing business. In this conversation with Joy van Baren, the Growth Acceleration Director at Ordina, we discuss the importance of the right mindset, the new way of looking at risk as a risk of missed opportunity. We investigate how important is brutal honesty to stay innovative and how to create a safe place for it. We also wonder what the success rate is for innovative projects.
LINKS
“Pirates in the navy” by Tendayi Viki